I'll post and let you know if it works. No dice. Sorry to dig up an older post, but have a few quick questions. ;). Before, if I was quick I could get one rev out of the motor, but I can't seem to now. Checked voltage to Turn Signal Module 68540-96. If your not running signals, just cap off the signal wires. but it also did not have a siren or keyfob so im golden. 4. i mean i could put more than one ting on a bigger fuse....now if it blows i lose more than one thing but would elimiate a ton of wires......you thoughts cosmo. Shipping it to me will probably be a lot cheaper than HD will charge. tried an after market daytona mod and it runs fine! I got my wiring harness pretty slimmed down already. i am having a hell of a time trying to find a way to mount the two oem fuse blocks and got to thinking about some of those fuses in there are no good anyway. Also, because of the issue with ground signal coming out of the module weak I just grounded the relay to the frame and I'm just using the Ignition, ground, and data wires. thanks a ton. But if the tsm is bad I can reprogram it to mine. $225.00. Mike.....just got home and your ecm and tsm were in my mailbox. Engine seems ok - bought on-line - spins good, good comp. I have not popped a fuse since the rewire and she fires up and runs strong just won't stay on. Pt no. i cleared all codes didnt help....i tried the relearn again still no fire so i will call dynatek tomorrow cause the instructions make it sound like plug n play but it is not that easy. Go to light it up a little struggle and she fires up and runs like a champ! I got a male connector for my data link and made a pigtail from the TSM directly to the data link connector. mod. No horn. The security lamp turned off as it should. Hope this helps someone who's in the same boat as me. I went over everything and the connections are good and soldered. Inspect the module, module plug, and related harness 1st. Also i can ditch the tssm after the sync or does it need a tsm to pair up to I read things similar early in the thread but wasn't sure. What the hell was Harley thinking with this stupid system? See if you have triggered signal to the module when you … I talked to the dealership he says a brand new out of the box icm does not need to be married to a tsm. I am about to just get a different flasher and bypass the TSM. If resistance is less than 1 ohm check for 12 vdc on both sides of the accessory fuse. Ok. You mentioned before you were going to keep the serial datalink wire....can you check for diagnostic trouble codes or have you? Taillight hooked up and working. I imagine that terminal 1 has to have power, and terminal 9 has to be connected to the relay for this whole deal to work considering that the procedure has yet to bare fruit. Thanks cosmo, its an 06 tc88 the 01 was a mis type by me, going out to try this now, again thanks for info, Thanks cosmo, its an 06 tc88 the 01 was a mis type by me, I think he means that this thread was intended for sportys 04' and newer....his is older (2001). I've been hunting for a used TSM to try out a few things and learn how these things tick....but haven't been able to get one yet. 4.5 out of 5 stars. ... dealing with wiring problems. On models equipped with a security system Two more 10min stints to go. I cut out the tssm completely and grounded out the data link. Comso, I'd be pulling me hair out if I had any. we went to the Harley shop - Head Tech said that we need the "good health" signal. They do not work at all. This is just what I needed. Ok so I pull apart clean and adjust the carb ... 3 times and it's killing the battery ok so I know it's electrical I trace out my wires again everything seems solid. I am trying to eliminate the tcm on a 2006 sportster that never had an alarm. You Rock man ! Alf, I apologise; I obviously hadn't read the thread properly. Im looking at this set of instructions at: seems like the ground signal to the relay is not full strength. I will be working on it shortly and let you know how it goes. If you have a fancy multimeter you can pick which one you want. Just want to add that if you bypass the TSM you will have diagnostic trouble codes present 100% of the time and if you are still using the stock speedo the check engine light will be on all the time also. I figured I pinched a wire so I decided to rewire the whole shebang. but it also did not have a siren or keyfob so im golden. It has the little arrow and an alarm symbol ala: http://www.alpcentauri.info/1197090736106417905vermeil_IEC_Diode_Symbol.svg.hi .png To be honest, all I know is that I always used it to test grounds and if it beeped, everything seemed good. item 8 TURN SIGNAL MODULE OEM HARLEY DAVIDSON & CUSTOM CHOPPERS 1996-99 MODEL 68548-96 8 - TURN SIGNAL MODULE OEM HARLEY DAVIDSON & CUSTOM CHOPPERS 1996-99 MODEL 68548-96. I read the whole thing just. I don't have any blown fuses and I can hear the flasher (little box in the rubber cover) clicking, but I get nothing. I have removed my TSM and everything functions really einzigste what I now that has the engine controlling light shines and the key symbol. Also I went and tested all my pins for which ones needed constant and tried cranking her over with a prayer and my connector from the battery to my starter heated up and started smoking the plastic on the battery side she cranks over fine and I can get her to fire up this didn't happen before. So the bike can be started with it in gear and the clutch out. The module just suppresses the signal for the brake on each side to allow the turn signal to flash (ie..the brake and turn signal run down the same wire after the module). Collection of harley turn signal wiring diagram. Glad to hear you got it figured out 9V! Thanks for pointing that out "River Runner"! No codes just "diag" when i hold the trip button down, dis regaurd im a moron....started to read post on how to get codes will let u know what i find out. I'm thinking that maybe eliminating it is "confusing" your icm or ecm (don't know what year your bike is) and shutting the bike down. Since the blown fuses may have caused the ICM to fault in some way, the resync with the TSM/TSSM may be necessary to get it back to an active condition... Maybe the reset occured when I attempted the diagnostic mode maybe? Ok so I test the coil get some readings that were above and below recommended levels so I replace it. Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube. Thanks again for the help! The ICM will not allow the bike to start...it is part of the theft feature. That wire is constantly hot, probably not good. I see this is your first couple of posts.....so welcome to the XLF from Central NY! Do I still need to do the password reset? Sorry for pulling up questions on a nearly decade old post but: I've taken apart my bike to hardtail (I know, it'll hurt hahaha) and stripped everything off. Sounds right too me. I won't delete your thread, I'll merge it into this one. The same's not true of my '13. If I wanted to get rid of the factory Security System, what I've got to do is replace the factory TSSM with a TSM and do the ECM password relearn. Hi Steve. View Full Version : How-To: Eliminate the Turn Signal Module (TSM). No sorry i needed to be more detailed in my question. Each one of such tips are illustrated with practical examples. You told me you were still learning about this electrical stuff, but I am seeing the case is quite the contrary. It's simple the #2 plug on the icm/ecm must always have power running to it even with the key turned off (that's how the stock wiring is and I didn't realize why when I first wired my bike up). I imagine that I'll be posting some sort of result here once I get the new tsm. Ill reattach and resync them with the sensor grounded and see what happens. i discovered that my bike came originally with a TSSM, which is why i could never get it to run. This is the second time i tried to start but first time i had not found this thread so i grounded out that wire and it cranked. We do not renegotiate price after the sale. Wanted to remove them anyway and that just made up my mind for me. https://i.ibb.co/KbqzcBF/Latest-mods.jpg (https://ibb.co/Jm7FW85) But what if i wanted to loose the auto cancel and save space and fit another oil tank like i have. But I found something that says on the last key cycle, where Speedy said OFF-ON-OFF, to turn it OFF-ON wait 1 minute then turn it OFF then wait 15 seconds before trying to start. Engine will run only about 1 second; primed / choke / non-choke / cleaned carb. the tsm was borrowed from the stealership from someone who had a security system added to thier bike. The Sportster and Buell Motorcycle Forum - The XLFORUM®, Sportster Motorcycle Electrical and Ignition, How-To: Eliminate the Turn Signal Module (TSM). I am not going to say you don't have a bad ICM. So hopefully I'll have her up and running sometime early next week. only two days mail time so i could have it to you by thursday..... PM sent. Could you pull the maxi fuse before reconnecting it? I am trying to eliminate the tcm on a 2006 sportster that never had an alarm. I have one probe on the negative battery terminal and the other on the #9 lead, or more specifically on the spade connector plugged into the relay. it has the same ecm that was on the bike before the wiring job. Is it a new tsm that hasn't had the password learn procedure done? Release odometer button and "DIAG" shoul… fired right up cosmo. w/2005 sportster 1200 - we eliminated the TSM (Grounded out the starter relay control wire) per your original post. here is the link and i show the connection im talking about. So I spent some more time with my bike and it's issues. so the original diagram works for an 07? #1 Gnd, #2 +12vdc, power is good. Like I said before be ready for loads of questions when I start tearing into my bike. tried initaly with out it but bike starts then stalls so i figured it needed a signal from tsm, is it posible to make the module think its getting that signal and if so how? I am not so sure I am going to be as lucky trying to plug it back in! Für nähere Informationen zur Nutzung Ihrer Daten lesen Sie bitte unsere Datenschutzerklärung und Cookie-Richtlinie. I have spark with stock icm no tsm hooked up at all just need to find out fom dynatek what the deal is with there ignition.I might have a dynatek ignition for sale. Tsm, but this is actualy a custom built bike, and was not going to use the tsm but bike wouldn't run soi got the tsm and still doesn't. if you have any suggestion the the S.E. Used 1996 Harley-Davidson Electra Glide FLHTCUI. Saw your visitor message Mike but we might as well discuss it here. No worries about paying me....return postage is more than enough. well i tested with a test light and there is power but when i am cranking the wht/bk from icm to coil dims down i still gonna check with meter later. We are building a custom Redneck Eng. think it may be firing on one cyl but that is easy enough to track down...prob just a spark plug wire etc.....but it runs.....cant thank you enough....now i should be able to make smokeout this weekend. Sweet Cosmo! Fixed Price $ 79.80 When you press the right button, a 12 V signal is fed to the TSSM on a W/BN wire or a W/V wire when you press the left button. My question in, how do I deal with the TSM if I'm not planning on running it? I assume that shouldn't affect anything as my lights were out before that and I actually got the rear to work for a brief moment afterwards. Pressing the turn signal twice before starting the procedure is the secret to this whole deal, as it would turn out. i ddint know you would knock it out that quick and now i can get it before the weekend....pm me. Interesting....but if I read it correctly you do not have spark after a few cycles with the dynatek and tsm hooked up right? no problem. came out great just need to put my seat and fender and my baby is all done.. thanks again. That was on my '05. I know this is an old post but i have tried to do this to my bike and can get it to start but it stalls imediately any suggestions? Nightrider...I see it is your first post so welcome to the XLF from CNY! Well Cosmo I'm not sure if it worked. Did you pull off the connector going to the coil and make sure you are in fact getting power at the white/black wire? This is first time we are starting engine. Check the switches. so now i can watch the indicators on the speedo and hopefully by tonight its running..the tsm should be good but we will see, the other thing i kinda thought about doing was seding my ecm and the tsm to someone for them to do the re-learn on their bike, then send it back to me already re-learned. When you say Security System, are you implying that all EFI bikes have some sort of ECM cut if the TSM is removed the bike won't start, or does that only apply if you have the separately sold HD Sec Sys installed? Glad to have you with us! Would be greatly appreciated. Accessing the diagnostics menu requires you to press several of the accessory switches in a very specific manner, within a short amount of time. Hopefully this doesn't make me look like more of an ignoramus. Good news...first 10min waiting period done! again thanks man i might be bothering u a little more in the future haha. And this is what I found out. If you want to hang out with the real riders you need to get yourself a Sportster! US Seller. I learn more from you than anyone on here Cosmo, Thanks. I actually just removed the front signals today. When I press the blinker button on the handlebars, it clicks and the lights would come on. That means that #9, which is the terminal that goes to the relay is hot instead of grounded. Of course....if there is something wrong with the ecm I won't be able to help you. i read all of your post on removing the tsm. I didn't see anyone who did it on an 04-06 only people who ended up replacing or installing a tsm. Dies geschieht in Ihren Datenschutzeinstellungen. Glad to have you with us! How would I reprogram it myself? And if anybody needs a really simple wiring harness for a 05 sportster lemme know. the motor starts then stalls immediately. How is yours set up? i initially cut off the data link connector but wired it back in so i could use it for codes etc if need be. Has anyone had long term success removing the tcm & then getting their bike to run? Yes, it is possible for '04 Sportsters; that is what this thread is about. I just installed a daytona twin tec ICM & no dice on getting the bike started! I have an '07. So i wanted to make sure i had spark. If you have any ideas where else I could look would be greatly appreciated. great help by the way i love the tsm so much more than that piece of s**t ... ok sorry back on subject.. i meant the speedo and front turn signal male plugs. Skip to content. Check for loose or disconnected wires to the speedometer. Harley turn signal problems. Dazu gehört der Widerspruch gegen die Verarbeitung Ihrer Daten durch Partner für deren berechtigte Interessen. C $102.33. I would unplug the module from the main wiring harness and test the violet and brown wires with your turn signals working to see if you are getting a pulsing / flashing signal to the module. I did not mess with the tsm but i did have a secutity system and i used your thread on tssm to tsm swap. Something definitely appears to be screwed up with the tsm. I saw earlier in the thread someone mentioned "snipping one of the wires" for that year and that was all that was necessary to disable the tsm. After that you can start removing things. Here is the background, I have an 04 sportster 883 punches to a 1200 with alarm and key fob. I think the first post might have solved my wiring problems I have been fighting for months. The module black cube in rubber thingy still clicks when I press the blinker button, the red key comes on immediately and the green dummy light indicator comes on. Cosmo what the deuce??? Does that seem right? Your simplified wiring diagram should work fine. 1 product rating - HARLEY TSM TSSM TURN SIGNAL SECURITY MODULE 68925-07 DYNA TOUR VROD SPORTSTER. Has TSSM and Smart Security siren(I had no idea until it was chopped, didn't have key fob. Pushed it home and the black hole began. Position #2 brown/grey wire sends power from the battery to the ICM....see if you have voltage on that wire with ignition on and run/stop switch set to run. Have you ever drawn up a simple diagram for someone who just needs the bare minimal. Nope. before I even got the new icm I plugged my crankshaft position sensor in my buddy's bike and it worked fine so I haven't replaced that yet. Power stays at coil even when it quits. i am eliminating my tsm along with trimming down my whole harness on my 07. the bike is a full custom and so need the bare min but want to keep the efi. Buy It Now. I read the whole thing just. It is odd though, normally the … Unless you want turn signals, you only need it for 30 minutes and then you can turn around and sell it. my bike is wired, minus all the junk. 68981-04. £57.69 + £47.04 postage. Awesome thanks.. Ill leave it for now and see how it works out with the hand burn before I start removing the wires. I tried rewiring the bike running the starter relay from the tcm wiring directly to the ground. I haven't tried marrying the new icm yet because I would need to rewire in the old tssm I just haven't gotten to it yet and since the old icm seems to work still and it ran fine before I'm not sure if that's the problem. I've read through this thread and have seen some similar issues but I am still having no success. well that still didnt do anything so i was looking at my harness on the icm side and the only wire i left out was the datalink wire so i ran it to speedo harness but it didnt change anything. Could anyone describe the procedure for me? Is that all there is to it, if I'm not trying to remove the TSM entirely? can someone explain how the ecm password relearn works? Watch; 09 Harley Davidson Sportster XL1200C Turn Signal Security Module Unit 68920-07 (Fits: Harley-Davidson) usually as long as you get there before they close they can get it to me next day but Sat delivery would be fine too. If I plug 12v into terminal #1 the bike will fire but not run the one cycle. one catch though is i need it back asap. but all that wire does is send information from the ecm to the speedo and tsm, which i will have niether. You're correct Cosmo, the bike runs fine without it and I'm riding it now with the module removed, just would like to know how to get my signals to work(manually) without the tsm. yu can kinda tell it is a forced kill.....dont know how to explain it but maybe you kinda know what im saying. I checked the wiring and all looked good so I figured that the module must be what is wrong since it's both signals. I have an inline spark tester on my plugs (brand new)and the light up on ignition and die when the bike dies. Hope that is right. Do your signals still work with the TSM connector jumpered or do you have to rewire the lights to a different flasher? :tour. thanks to u my bars are clear and my bike is actually running cuz i could not figure it out. Badlands Turn Signal Canceler ATS-03-A Badlands Illuminator Plug-in Style Run, Brake and Turn Signal Module ILL-01-A Eagle Equalizer Plug and Play Load Equalizer and Stabilizer for Harley Davidson Motorcycle LED Turn Signals I didn't see anyone who did it on an 04-06 only people who ended up replacing or installing a tsm. Must have been deactivated because it ran fine. Turn Signal Module. i will gladly pay you for your services....i am in GA and arent you in NY? also, does the tsm need to be mounted in a certain position for the re-learn as i does house the bank-angle sensor.....i am truly at a loss now. And as a matter of fact, I left my starter relay grounded to the frame (as opposed to being connected to terminal 9) during the whole process, and it still worked. Just doesn't seen like a fuel issue. Automatic Turn Signal Self Canceling Light Module by Badlands®. For 3 seconds then acts like it's running out of gas. So the bike can be started with it in gear and the clutch out. 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